Thank you. We all try to help by presenting the truth. Some times, to include myself, we provide info that turns out to be bogus.

@Gray_Wolf Excellent explanation by the first guy. Now the second guy with the concoction my question is what kind of pine needles? Guess I’ll have to go look at mike adams video for the info huh? The legumes was new information. FYI: tonic water has quinine which I’ve been drinking for decades to help muscles spasms per doctors orders. Thanks for posting the video!

Be very careful which pine needles you put into the mix. The wrong pine needles will produce turpentine instead of sumaric.