@Lasthorseman @timomalum I was a Hilti guy but fasteners always did fascinate me. I only half kid about crucifying certain, remorseless wastes of skin so that kids grow up w/that image in their heads when they consider that direction in their life. Make it a fact of life again, that you will lose yours if you do this, and it could be by being fastened thru the wrist's w/a cordless nail gun to a cross on the busiest street in your hometown. Death has lost it's sting, lets bring back the sting.